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27 June 2012 @ 12:04 am
Questions. So many Questions  
I've seen The Avengers 3 times (and loved it each time.) I thought I should go back and watch the individual movies - although you don't have to have seen any of their movies to understand The Avengers. They did a good job of filling in necessary info for each team member so even Marvel-virgins like me understood what was going on.

Now that I've seen Thor, I have some questions. Can y'all help me out, please? I'm putting them behind the cut in case you haven't seen Thor and/or Avengers don't want to be spoiled.

My questions, specifically for the Thor movie:

1. Is Loki 'evil' the entire time? Or does he turn when Thor is chosen to succeed their father? After seeing this movie, I can see why so many fans want to write Loki redemption fic. I felt sorry for him in Thor in ways I never did in Avengers. (I know he's evil in Avengers. That's pretty clear ;-)

2. There isn't a Thor 2, right? I mean, Coulson in Avengers tells Thor that Jane is safe. But Jane doesn't know Thor is back. Because at the end of Thor, he thinks he can't go back to the Earth because he destroyed the bridge. Except that really cool gate-keeper said "there is always a way." (I wish Jane had been in Avengers. But I guess that's just me.)

3. And where was Loki between the two movies? When he was banished from Asgard by their father, did he go to the planet where  he is when Avengers start?

4. How long is the time gap between Thor and Avengers? Maybe it doesn't matter but I'm curious.

I think that's it. I guess I'm trying to catch up on 80? 100? years of comics in a short time span. There may not be an answer to any of these questions, and I'm okay with that. But if there are, do I have to know the secret handshake to find them out?

Thank you for helping out the novice!!

Current Mood: confused
The Huntress: Dean-WaterConfusedhuntress69 on June 27th, 2012 05:16 am (UTC)
I've been reading the comics for years (been waiting for an Avengers movie since the 70s LOL) but I can't answer your questions. I dunno why I am commenting when I can't do anything for you. (Runs away).
Are 6 dogs too many?: camo stevetkeylasunset on June 27th, 2012 02:20 pm (UTC)
Because you're good like that!

J.the_physicist on June 27th, 2012 06:12 am (UTC)
1) yeah, like you said, he starts turning evil in Thor, but isn't evil from birth. Starting to kill everyone when finding out you're adopted... Yeah...

2) nope, but I hope there's one planned. They never explained how the hell Thor got to earth in avengers.

3) floating through space and then on the planet he started up on in Avengers would be my guess too. But there's room to write it differently and add in other planets easily I think.

4) okay, can't help with that one XD

I mean, I'm the kind of person who goes off the films only though with such fic in terms of plot. For world building wikipedia isn't bad for marvel info I think, but yeah... plot is different than comics, so I don't see the point in trying to think about plot in that light...
Are 6 dogs too many?: thor approvestkeylasunset on June 27th, 2012 02:26 pm (UTC)
Thank you! Your insight helped a lot! At least now I know that my questions are legitimate and not because I'm an English major who tends to over-analyze everything!

I'll try Wikipedia. Or I could just let it go because that's probably what I need to do.

I think #2 may be the biggest of my questions. He broke the bridge and thought he'd never see Jane again. But there he was, on Earth. Was Odin dead in Avengers? Oh Lord - there I go again, asking more questions.

Okay. I'm going to see if I can go back to the real world now.

Thanks again!

scraplovescraplove on June 27th, 2012 03:30 pm (UTC)
They had a throw-away line about it in The Avengers—Loki asked Thor how much dark magic the Allfather had to conjure, or something like that. It's kind of hand-wavy. And I was also disappointed by the lack of Jane in the Avengers. And the lack of Darcy.
dreamwind83dreamwind83 on June 27th, 2012 02:59 pm (UTC)
1. I don't think Loki is really Evil in the movie, or at least he doesn't start out that way. The way I saw it he had created an elaborate plan to prove to Odin that Thor was to self absorbed and violent to be a good King, but the revelation that he was a Jotun and that Odin was never going to let him have a chance to be King as he had told Loki as a child, that his whole life was a lie and he was one of the monsters parents told tales of to their children to get them to obey, was just another reason he was so different than his brother and all the other Asgards. You have to remember that it was strength, weapons skill and valor in battle that the Norse prized and while Loki is a dangerous foe he isn't as physically intimidating as Thor and he is portrayed as not being an especially skilled warrior, he's more of a studious, logical sort. More reliant upon his magic, logic and cunning to help him win his battles than sheer strength of arm. So all of that just kind of sent him over the edge, but you still feel a bit like he's only acting out in order to get his Fathers attention. He wants to be the center of Odin's eye.
Umai Hoshi: Lip Bite (KU)fairyniamh on June 27th, 2012 09:54 pm (UTC)
OK before my laptop completely dies I will try to answer as much as I can.

First let me say that the Movie Verse and Comic Verse... are not really inclusive. So if you want to enjoy the movies stay away from the comics as they can get pretty confusing.

So I am answering Movie Verse.

#1.) I do not think Loki was all that 'evil' in Thor. He was jealous and pissed off. And even in the Avengers I do not see him as evil... just someone throwing a God sized temper tantrum.

#2.) Thor 2 is in the concept part right now. Though from everything I have heard there will be one released late 2013. Personally I am glad none of the extra ladies were really 'in' The Avengers. They would have caused distractions.

#3) Odin did NOT banish Loki. He banished Thor... but not Loki... at the end he tried to save both of his sons. So no one has any way of knowing which realm Loki decided to hide in.

#4) There is no given proof as to how long he was away from Earth... so I will do my best at guessing... probably a year and a half to 3 years. This would give the All-father enough time to mourn the loss of his son and give him (Odin) and Heimdall enough time to research/search for different paths between the worlds. Though from what I have seen of the Avengers they wound up making a deal with a sorceress rather than discovering those paths.

Anyhoo the last one was just a guess. So here is a bit of information that you possibly do not know.

Thor's 'human' alter ego... (yes, he has one in the comics!) is named... Donald Blake.