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12 October 2012 @ 11:26 pm
long rambly thoughts of little importance  
Have you ever been angry but couldn't quite pinpoint the reason? Like an itch you couldn't quite scratch? I've been feeling that way for several days. And I've finally realized why that is.

There are people in every fandom who seem to dominate the conversations. It's a reality - in any group, one or two voices will rise about the rest. While it's a natural part of human interaction, that doesn't mean that the quieter voices agree with the loudest. Or that the quieter voices want to raise the volume of discourse by trying to out "shout" the more vocal ones.

I tend to be one of the quieter voices. I enjoy my fandoms (of which there are only 2 main ones.) I participate now and again in challenges. I'm good with my level of participation.

What I'm not good with is that the loud voices seem to be trying to dictate to everyone how we should interpret our show - in this case, Hawaii Five-0. I don't intend this post to point fingers or call anyone out. That's not fair and is not in my nature as someone who is conflict-averse. I don't believe the loudest voices want us to evolve into "group-think" but I do resent like hell when their voices sound like they are The Authority and the rest of us should appreciate being led to The Truth about the show.

Hawaii Five-0 is not Shakespeare. It is a police procedural - pure and simple. It is a beautiful cast in a beautiful setting solving the Crime of the Week. The plots tend to preposterous - the character interactions are the reason most of us come back. Trying to analyze it for any Truths is going to be as successful as asking my dogs which one is Steve and which one is Danny.

If you want to watch it and then Reveal Universal Truths to those of us who just aren't smart enough to get it by ourselves, have at it. But please try not to make it sound like you are doing us a favor by leading us out of the dark wilderness of fandom. I have a Master's in English Literature. I can bring all of that education to The Show. But what purpose would that serve?  

It's a TV show. It is not a documentary on proper police procedure. It is preposterous. It is fun. It is by turns ridiculous, silly, sad, happy. It is NOT literature and it is a disservice to the show and its fans to act as though it is more than it aims to be.

I'm not trying to tell anyone how to watch the show any more than I want anyone else telling me how to watch it. What I am asking is that discourse not be quite so loud and that we all acknowledge that there are multiple interpretations of every human experience, including a TV show.

I felt the need to share these thoughts because it had gotten so bad that I nearly left the fandom. The enjoyment I get from watching The Show has recently been undermined by those who seem to be trying to speak for all of us. Maybe that's just my interpretation but the shouting has been getting progressively louder. 

I don't want to leave Hawaii Five-0. And I don't to be told What It All Means. I'm good. Thanks.

Current Mood: aggravated
Lizet Elaine: Hawaii Five 0::Danny::tuney fishsimplyn2deep on October 13th, 2012 03:36 am (UTC)
This was so well put and articulated what I was thinking when I was being snarky.

Also, I'm glad you didn't leave the fandom. you would be greatly missed

Edited at 2012-10-13 03:36 am (UTC)
Are 6 dogs too many?: glad to see your backtkeylasunset on October 13th, 2012 02:17 pm (UTC)
Thank you BB!

Honestly, I was this close to shipping out. Then I took a deep breath and decided no one has the right to tell me how to watch and/or enjoy a show!

Just because they are loud does not mean they are right!
--♫ Anna--: Dog Problemrocsfan on October 13th, 2012 03:55 am (UTC)
Well said! There are some loudmouths out there.
Are 6 dogs too many?: Scott & Dottkeylasunset on October 13th, 2012 02:19 pm (UTC)
Right? I can't understand anyone's need to decide for all of us how to watch the show!

I want to pretend I can just ignore them but the truth is that some "voices" are too loud to ignore. And that's what makes me angry!
Umai Hoshi: Reallyfairyniamh on October 13th, 2012 04:13 am (UTC)
People like that... gawd, I want to choke them. Because they bring their judgement and POVs into fan fiction and... yeah. It pisses me off because they suck the fun out of things.

Yes, I will squee and pimp my pairings of choice and those I do not like and/or understand I will avoid. Same for kinks.

*shakes head* Please, do me a favor; if you ever see me doing that sort of BS... pop me on the back of my head and tell me to stop being a douche.
Are 6 dogs too many?: camo stevetkeylasunset on October 13th, 2012 02:20 pm (UTC)
People like that... gawd, I want to choke them. Because they bring their judgement and POVs into fan fiction and... yeah. It pisses me off because they suck the fun out of things.

Exactly this!!!

You have never tried to tell anyone what to think!! (If you do, I'll smack you - and I promise to be gentle. :-)

Thank you for confirming that it's not just me!
bluedelft on October 13th, 2012 04:20 am (UTC)
Yes, yes and yes! Very well said!

The sad thing is I've seen this happen before in other fandoms, Prison Break being one. It seems like people forget their manners and how to be polite when they sit in front of a keyboard.

We are all different with different ideas and that is what makes life so interesting.

I don't want you to leave *grabs on and holds you tight*
Are 6 dogs too many?: enterprisetkeylasunset on October 13th, 2012 02:25 pm (UTC)
Yes, exactly. The internet brings out the best and the Worst in people!

This is the first active TV show I've every fan-girled over. I guess I'm only now learning the "politics" of it. Since Star Trek is my only other active fandom, we're all pretty much on the same page. Sure there are those who ship others than Kirk/Spock but the mythology is so well established, we can debate the subtleties in a civil and even tone. I'm sure when the next movie finally comes out, we'll find things to argue over. But those discussion feel different from the recent H50 ones.

I'm glad to know I'm not the only one feeling this way although shared "pain" doesn't really diminish it.

Thank you for the kind words!
tarnishedangel2: Detectives Danny & Steve: Bad Guystarnishedangel2 on October 13th, 2012 06:06 am (UTC)
Hi, Tkeyla : )

I basically have a "live and let live" philosophy when it comes to H50, and this view applies to any fandom that I am associated with not just this one.

I think everyone should be entitled to their own opinion and no one should feel bullied or belittled by the majority of the fandom because they don't happen to agree with the majority opinion. I also think those that want to look for deeper meanings in H50 should be allowed to do so, but they shouldn't force their views onto others or take on a superior attitude because they see these themes and others don't see them, and therefore, these individuals must be misguided and are just not "getting it", and therefore, they must be educated to the "real" meaning of the series. Some people just want to watch H50 because they enjoy action/drama procedurals with pretty people set in a pretty place.

I tend to be a mix of these two aspects. I enjoy shows that have a blend of action, drama, romance, humor, and mystery with characters that I like. I also tend to prefer shows with large supporting casts (i.e. Dr. Quinn and JAG), but since I am a scientist by training, I can't simply shut off the analytical portion of my brain. I will analyze H50, but I will try not to be obnoxious or insulting to others when I do so.

I think this type of "my way or the highway" thinking is damaging the fandom. You can certainly see that the activity on the 3 main LJ H50 communities has dropped dramatically this season. H50_slash (Waves of Love),SteveDanno_slash, and H50_TV don't see as many posts. The episode discussion post comments have dropped by more than half this season. People are either watching the series alone, or they are posting their views on their own LJs (without leaving links on community posts) for their f-lists to read.

I have seen more than one post like this one this season. H50 fans are getting tired of all the negativity (including but not limited to) hatred directed toward all female characters except Kono, social and political commentary on fanfics that are supposed to be fun, continued fan complaints about a show that you supposedly like yet can find nothing positive to say about it in your review, and finally, the spoiler debacle. All of this type of behavior is fragmenting the H50 fandom, and I think if it continues it will ultimately kill the fandom.

Speaking for myself, I've never seen this kind of behavior in a fandom before. My main fandom experience has been with Harry Potter, and Potter fans are fans first and shippers second. I have friends on my list that I share ships with, and I have friends on my list that don't ship the same as I do, but we remain friends because of our common interest in the HP series. In H50, it seems you have to think the same way and ship the same pairings to be friends. I don't get that. I just don't understand this fandom at all, and I have felt out of place in it from the beginning. I stay because I continue to LOVE H50, and I have met some wonderful people. : )

Have a good weekend!!! : )


The Huntress: DannoLovesYouhuntress69 on October 13th, 2012 02:26 pm (UTC)
You can certainly see that the activity on the 3 main LJ H50 communities has dropped dramatically this season.

I said that to a friend the other day; sometimes I feel like I am back in the SPN fandom, with all the infighting. I am not pleased with the way they are writing Catherine, am not overly fond of the soap aspect of the show (I admit these things), but I will keep watching cause it is still a decent show.
Are 6 dogs too many?: chin ho armoredtkeylasunset on October 13th, 2012 02:31 pm (UTC)
Yes!!! You have confirmed so many of the things I was feeling. And I really appreciate it!

And you're right - the posts on the "main" H50 communities have dropped dramatically. That really is unfortunate. But when every thought turns into an argument, no one is going to post only to be told how Wrong they are.

Because this is my first active FanGirl show, I had no idea that there was such an evolution. Makes me very sad.

Thank you for stating those things I've been feeling but did not articulate as well as I would have liked!

I hope you also have a great weekend!
The Huntress: H50Rule2huntress69 on October 13th, 2012 02:22 pm (UTC)
You haven't known me that long, but letting you know that over the years I have not only seen this in a few fandoms (most notably SPN), and that's why I'm just an "average viewer" now. I've also ranted about this same thing.

H50 is a TV show, Steve and Danny are not going to get married, I like Catherine and hope that in the series finale she marries Steve and they make little SEAL babies. I will admit (I am open about it) that they do more with Catherine, because I will not hate on her, but the way Lenkov is writing her is getting on my nerves.

And I enjoy the pretty people too.
Are 6 dogs too many?: TEAMtkeylasunset on October 13th, 2012 02:34 pm (UTC)
I really had no idea that shows became so divisive. How utterly sad that is! (And apparently naive of me.)

Yes - it is a TV show. Full stop.

Why do people insist on hating Catherine? She's lovely, smart, kick-ass, and knows her place. She's not Lori. Can we please let her be Catherine? And yes, the writers need to take a better rein on her place in the show. But I'm pretty sure that will come.

Thank you for your comments! It helps more than you can know!
Kathy: McDanno/boatkitmerlot1213 on October 13th, 2012 02:29 pm (UTC)
I completely agree with you!

I know I watch for the McDanno banter/snark/married couple moments, for the Grace/Danno sweet moments, for Chin and Kono to be simultaneously badass and caring of their ohana and some kickass action sequences.

I'm not watching to see which moral conundrum the gang faces this week--it's pretty people, in pretty scenery--shooting guns :)

It might be better for your sanity to stay away from the comms and just squee with your flist :):)
Are 6 dogs too many?: my danno heartstkeylasunset on October 13th, 2012 02:36 pm (UTC)
it's pretty people, in pretty scenery--shooting guns :)


I don't spend a lot of time on the communities. Less and less this season because of the reasons I stated. The activity of those communities has declined substantially. And I think it's because of the "yelling".

Thanks for the confirmation that it's not just me!
hilde on October 13th, 2012 02:34 pm (UTC)
When I turn on the TV (or in H50's case; boot up my laptop) I want to be entertained. Pure and simple. I want an escape from grading, ailing parents and all the ups and down everyday life has to bring. I live on the west coast of Norway. It's been a cold, wet summer and it's really, really nice to sit down and look at the pretty people running around on the pretty island.

That said, Steve shirtless is not enough to keep watching H50, I do want a show that's entertaining in other ways as well. I don't really care about realism, not that much. I do know that in the real world, things don't work as they do on the show. Forensic results aren't always available in five minutes and they would all be limping more (and spend more time in hospital given the beatings they sometimes take). But that's not why I watch the show! I am perfectly aware of the fact that it's not meant to be taken too seriously and I'm fine with that. I don't need a fandom police telling me how to feel about certain things or dissect every single thing that happens. I most certainly do not need a dissertation about how I'm supposed to interpret an episode. Like you I have a Masters in English Lit, but I'm not going to analyze this as I would Flannery O'Connor.

I left the NCIS fandom for two reasons. One, the show didn't do it for me anymore. Tiva killed it, boring cases killed it. For me. So I moved on, realizing all I was doing was complaining and generally being pissed of about a show I once loved. I'm not saying one shouldn't be allowed to voice one's opinion when you feel a show is going the wrong way. But if you can't enjoy it in the least, it's best to find one that can give you what you want.
Are 6 dogs too many?: Max squeetkeylasunset on October 13th, 2012 02:42 pm (UTC)
Escapism is an excellent reason to watch any show! Especially this one!

And you're right - they would all be hospitalized after all the injuries they've incurred. (Especially after Steve crashed the plane last season.) And they would have had a mental breakdown from all the traumas. But I don't think we'd watch an episode of the team laying in a hospital bed being treated for their injuries! (That's what fanfiction is for!)

I don't need a fandom police telling me how to feel about certain things or dissect every single thing that happens. I most certainly do not need a dissertation about how I'm supposed to interpret an episode.

This exactly!!!

Thank you for assuring it me it's not just me!
a geek in such the wrong way: H50-embracehaldoor on October 15th, 2012 09:48 am (UTC)
You know, it's weird for me too, because I've only followed two fandoms, Lost and H50, and I don't really do the meta/discussion thing, so I tend to miss most of the dramas, which is how I prefer things! Lost (slash, anyway) was a small but wonderful fandom while it lasted and was mostly drama-free while I was there (though as I say, I didn't get into discussions much!), so it's just unnerving to hear there are people ruining fandom for others this way.

My advice would probably be stick to your own LJ and other like-minded souls, much as it can be fun to join in with things when it's going well. At least there do seem to be some safe havens in H50, like h50_ohanahh, where you can have fun.

I'm so with you on H50 just being for the fun, the pretties and the sense of ohana. And from the other comments here, it certainly seems we're not alone!