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19 January 2014 @ 06:06 pm
May We Discuss Friday's H50 episode?  
You know I love me some Hawaii Five-0. But Friday night's episode? It didn't work for me.

It was fabulous seeing more of Chin Ho! And I nearly cried every time Malia was on the screen. But the episode itself? I just didn't get it. Why was Chin being investigated? Because he failed to solve his father's murder 15 years earlier? Gabriel had an alibi and no physical evidence to connect him to the murder of Chin's father. Chin was being investigated because his poor dead wife's brother was a mobster? Does that make Chin subject to an investigation? None of the Five-0 did anything wrong when they arrested Gabriel. Why were they under investigation?

Nothing made sense. (And I missed Danny, a lot.)

I also didn't like the fact that Kono's return wasn't even addressed. "Hey, we missed you and are so glad you're home." Anything.

I want Steve and Danny together, arguing. I want Kono and Chin together being awesome. Is that too much to ask?
Lizet Elainesimplyn2deep on January 19th, 2014 11:16 pm (UTC)
That's pretty much my thoughts.

No mention of where Danny (and Catherine) was.

Why exactly Chin was being investigated, was it because he was on the case (present one), or was it really bc there was missing money? I thought it was because Chin was being investigated for letting Gabriel go or killed him.

I couldn't find anything wrong with what Chin did, other than him remaining on the case, then the same could be said for Steve remaining on the case when his father's death was being investigated, or the case involving Mary being suspected of smuggling the diamonds.

So I just didn't get it all. Sort of a lazy way of giving us background on Chin
Are 6 dogs too many?: backhoetkeylasunset on January 20th, 2014 03:41 pm (UTC)
Right? If Five-0 was subject to an IA investigation every time they were personally involved in a case, they'd never have time to be involved in a case. All their cases are personal.

Well, every episode can't be a winner, I guess?
kapuahi: H50 - Danny - Weapons Gloveskapuahi on January 19th, 2014 11:53 pm (UTC)
Whilst it wasn't my favorite episode, I did like it. It gave us an insight into the other things that happen surrounding a case.

Technically (and I could be wrong for the US) there is an IA investigation every time that a police weapon is discharged in the line of duty. It's their job to try and unsettle the officer enough to give away any secrets, and even we know Chin has a whole lot of backstory to prod him with. Just the fact that the bad guy was a Waincroft would have been enough to have them probe both men's backgrounds and needle Chin anyway they could. From that angle the episode really worked for me, in fact I'd like to see a similar IA themed episode for each of the team.

The only thing that jarred for me was the absence of Cath and Danny. I suspect that we were supposed to assume that Cath was still on reserve duty (and she did retire completely from the Navy but that doesn't stop her from joining the part time reserve) but I have no clue what we were supposed to think of Danny's absence (aside from even more evidence that Scott doesn't want to be there).

The whole episode was probably no more than an hour or two in their 'real life' and it only involved the people that were in that stakeout so they really only needed Chin, Steve and Kono, but to have the other two pop in for support wouldn't have hurt the storyline at all.
Emeraldawnwitchyemerald on January 20th, 2014 02:15 am (UTC)
Investigation yes, but not like this. The make sure that you had a reason to fire the gun, and an investigation can take hours depending on the situation. I mean they has a shootout on the street in front of people and cameras. They would have had the okay to take him down.

If they just showed a scene where the guy spilled lies to get Chin to go down with him or something, it would have made more sense. But if you are looking for a weapons discharge investigation, this was not what we saw.

However we can be seeing a new problem unfold, (just thought this as I typed) Chin and the team have IA as a new enemy.
Are 6 dogs too many?: backhoetkeylasunset on January 20th, 2014 03:44 pm (UTC)
Maybe IA will be the new enemy? But honestly, they could have come up with a better scenario for the investigation. None of it made sense to me.

Are 6 dogs too many?: backhoetkeylasunset on January 20th, 2014 03:43 pm (UTC)
I think there probably is an investigation when a weapon is fired. But I always thought of them as routine - "Where was the suspect at the time of the discharge?"

I was also jarred by no Catherine, no Danny, no explanation. And no acknowledgment that Kono had been gone.

Ah well. There's always next week.
tarnishedangel2: A word of advice--DON'T mess with Chintarnishedangel2 on January 20th, 2014 12:27 am (UTC)
Hi, Tkeyla

I think Chin was being investigated by IA because of several facts when taken together they made him look suspicious.

1. Chin got the stolen car charges against an 18 year old Gabriel dropped by persuading the accuser to withdraw their complaint. I know he did this for Malia, but I think it was a mistake. It sent the message to a young Gabriel that he couldn't be caught no matter what he did, and his behavior escalated from that point. Had he been punished for this it might have stopped him from becoming a hard core villain.

2. There were phone records from Chin's home to Gabriel even though Chin claimed not to have spoken to him in years. I believe Chin that he never had any contact with Gabriel, and that Malia was the one speaking to him; however, I can understand why IA didn't.

3. Lastly and most importantly, Chin has put his career on the line to protect his family. He took the blame for the money his uncle stole for the kidney transplant for his aunt. Malia's brother was family too so IA might believe that he would protect him for her again even at the expense of allowing his own father's killer to go free.

I'm not a fan of IA in procedural shows, but I think they had enough to pursue Chin here. I just think the writers could have told the story in a less convoluted way. The writers of this ep were Peter Lenkov, Ken Solarz (this team wrote the brilliant 4.10 ep "Honor Thy Father" Pearl Harbor flashback; so, they KNOW how to write flashback stories convincingly), and Peter Tassler. But, this one fell flat for me because it was all over the place, and it just never found its rhythm plus the ending was weak and strange. The episode felt unfinished and not in a good way (see ep 4.08 "Reluctant Partners" where the Jonas Brother computer hacker got away to menace the team again). This episode just abruptly ended with IA's investigation still ongoing, and Chin simply walking out on them while Steve was called in for his interview. Bottom line, for me this felt like a half finished episode. It was like I read half a book, and the other half was missing. I hope they don't make a habit of this, and that this situation is alluded to in the next new episode.

I did enjoy some things in the episode though. I thought the meeting scene with Malia was cute and a nice callback to the conversation that Chin had with Danny in ep 3.02 "Doubt". I also enjoyed getting background info on Chin and Malia and their relationship, seeing John McGarrett in a larger role was nice, and Grace Park's young Kono voice was adorable. I did miss Danny and Catherine, but I'm adjusting to this season of appearing and disappearing characters.

Are 6 dogs too many?: backhoetkeylasunset on January 20th, 2014 03:46 pm (UTC)
I liked seeing Malia!

If Chin had let Gabriel go this time, or had killed him, I could see them investigating them. But it all seems so made up that they would go after him for doing his job.

I also agree that the back and forth - past and present - could have been handled better. It was cool seeing more of the origin stories but I'm with you, there was no rhythm to this episode.

Hmm… much food for thought in your comments!
gyrigyri on January 20th, 2014 01:07 am (UTC)
Yeah, I think the consensus on this ep is that it didn't make any sense.

I'm missing Danny a lot, as well as DANNY AND STEVE, too!
Are 6 dogs too many?: backhoetkeylasunset on January 20th, 2014 03:47 pm (UTC)
I think that sums it up for me. It didn't make sense and I miss Steve and Danny!
Emeraldawnwitchyemerald on January 20th, 2014 02:09 am (UTC)
"Yea! not another Steve centered show! What? Wait? Where the hell is Danny?"

And that is in a nut shell my first thoughts. And YES! What was with this investigation? Anyone else felt like they were jumping eps. again like last season? Because I am beginning to feel these writers need to take a lesson in time lines. I felt we had a time jump or I missed a show somewhere.

Now I LOVE my Steve, don't get me wrong, but I am so glad we got to see someone else in the spotlight, and I am so glad it was Chin. I loved anything that had to do with Chin and Steve's Dad and young Kono. But why the investigation? Why was Danny, and Catherine too, cut from this show?

The was the second time, in a row, Danny was not working with the group, and while we did see him last week, I get the feeling they (the writers) are pushing him to the side. First we have Catherine and now Grover. IDK but I don't like it.

Edited at 2014-01-20 02:16 am (UTC)
kristen999: H S&D Hunkeredkristen999 on January 20th, 2014 06:16 am (UTC)
The was the second time, in a row, Danny was not working with the group, and while we did see him last week, I get the feeling they (the writers) are pushing him to the side

Or perhaps, just perhaps, Scott is the one who wants less screen time and TBTB are bending over backward to accommodate him with a multi million dollar show? I love SC, but it's not secret how much he doesn't like living on the island, prefers LA, and prefers doing all his side projects.

Also it is in MB's contract that she is not in all 22 episodes so instead of using up that slot for a tiny bit of screen time, she wasn't in the eppy. This isn't anything new. Max is a regular and is only in a handful of eppys.

However, the show did a very poor job of explaining their absences. Urg. A line, something, would have been better than nothing at all.

Emeraldawnwitchyemerald on January 20th, 2014 06:22 am (UTC)
Yes! I line or something will be nice. like they gave us the last time.
Are 6 dogs too many?: backhoetkeylasunset on January 20th, 2014 03:49 pm (UTC)
I think Scott Caan's absence is his own decision. While I want him in every episode, I understand why he isn't there. What I didn't understand was the complete lack of explanation. "He's at a thing with Grace." That's all it would have taken.

It was cool seeing John McGarrett and Chin working together. And baby Kono was the cutest!!

Oh well. Maybe they'll figure out what we love the most and give us more of that?
kaige68kaige68 on January 20th, 2014 04:54 pm (UTC)
I liked the back story, I liked seeing everyone so young-ish. Seeing John and Malia, and the brother was not difficult to look at.

I missed Danny, and yes, one sentence to explain why he wasn't there would have gone a very long way in a team situation that Danny should have been in on. I do understand that if he wasn't in on the investigation he wouldn't have been at the IA interrogation, but still, why wasn't he in the investigation.

AND, even if it is standard to have IA investigate every time an officer fires a gun, it did seem strange that THIS was the one they weren't above with their immunity.

Is it telling that I didn't even notice that Catherine wasn't in the ep until I saw someone mention it and was all "Oh yeah. *shrug*"