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26 April 2012 @ 04:14 pm
Question for my Star Trek friends (and anyone else who wants to weigh in!)  
I have signed up for the au_bigbang and I'm planning to write an Hawaii 5-0/ Starfleet fusion kind of thing. For one of my plot points, I was wondering if you thought cadets in the Captain-track would know the cadets in the Engineering-track. (I'm pretty sure that's not what they are really called but I think you know what I mean.)

If, for instance, Scotty had attended at the Academy at the same time as Jim Kirk, would they have had a lot of classes together? A few classes together? No classes together? (I'm not planning to have any of the Star Trek peoples in the story except for possibly mentioning them in passing. Don't think that matters but just so you know.)

What say you?

(I say THANKS!!!)
raeholland50 on April 26th, 2012 08:23 pm (UTC)
I think that Starfleet would have been like a college or university, so I would have thought that yes maybe kirk and scotty might of had a couple of classes together.
Are 6 dogs too many?: captain jeditkeylasunset on April 27th, 2012 02:27 am (UTC)
That makes sense.

And just to clarify (or possibly obfuscate even further) the question isn't really about Kirk and Scotty. It's about Character A being in Command and Character B being in Engineering. It serves my plot purposes better if A and B never encountered each other at the Academy. But I'm not worried about that so much. I can fix it with some magical Academy Handwaving. I just thought it would be cool to find out what y'all thought about Command and Engineering interacting.

I did go to Memory Alpha as the_physicist kindly suggested. They list the possible majors as:
Advanced Theoretical Physics
Probability mechanics

What would Kirk have majored in? Or are these just the ones mentioned and that's why they are listed on Memory Alpha? (This list is here: http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Starfleet_Academy_majors) It's not important but does it look like any of these would be his major?

Wait. Let me check MA again.... Apparently his major isn't listed anywhere. Interesting, huh?

Yeah, I'm way too invested in this. But that's what always happens!!!

Thanks for all y'all's help!!! I'll probably be back with more semi-important questions once I actually begin to write the story!
J.the_physicist on April 26th, 2012 09:33 pm (UTC)
yeah, i'm pretty sure they would have classes together if they were in the same year (or a year or two above/below). also, they would probably have to get some practice in before being sent out into the void! no way Pike would give a cadet who'd never been in space command of the ship.

they would have part time in class and part time in space on spaceships, especially training spaceships etc, as midshipmen. they might have been on such missions together.

i bet Kirk was on missions like that with pike and they got attacked by Klingons and Kirk saved the day a few times.

... otherwise XI makes no sense, lol.
Umai Hoshifairyniamh on April 26th, 2012 09:48 pm (UTC)
He didn't hand command over to Kirk he handed it over to Spock. He thought Kirk would be a good counterbalance to Spock thus appointing him, Kirk, 2IC.

He did not expect Vulcan to blow up or for Spock to be compromised. So the 2IC promotion makes sense... Esp since Kirk is one of Pike's proteges and Kirk is a freaking genius.

Oh... and `09 will never make sense because Spock!Prime is so OOC. *shrugs* Just saying.

Edited at 2012-04-26 09:49 pm (UTC)
J.the_physicist on April 26th, 2012 09:54 pm (UTC)
nawwwh... genius or not, that makes no sense at all. Chekov is more of a genius than Kirk and he didn't give it to Chekov. and exams mean nothing in the field compared to actual experience.

well, first officer is still a command position and with Nero there, i do think that Pike was aware of the possibility that Spock might end up dead and Kirk in charge. he'd be an idiot to hand over first officer position to someone he didn't trust with the ship, especially some untested Cadet (so, he must not have been untested). ;)

a bit like Wesley got promotions and had rank before being to the academy, the starfleet cadets probably pick up ranks in the field.

in my mind at least it is like in the old navy, so you get promotions in the field, but then when you are back on land, the officers still have to sit exams and if they fail to reach the bar, they get stripped of those field promotions again... but if they pass, they keep them.

agreed on spock prime being OOC :( . he wasn't at all driven, just all passive... not like Spock.
Umai Hoshi: Eye (CP)fairyniamh on April 26th, 2012 09:37 pm (UTC)
Hmmmm. I do not think MOST Command cadets would have anything more than Basic Engineering knowledge\classes. Why would they? They need to know tactics not warp core engineering.

Jim, however, I think would. Simply because he's too damned smart not to, at the very least, hang out and snoop in the engineering dept/take a class on the sly. (aka He's bored with basic tactics... knows more than the teacher... so slips into an engineering class to keep himself entertained.) I see him as the type of person who wants to know why it's working... not just that it's working. :)

Hope that helps.

Edited at 2012-04-26 09:40 pm (UTC)
J.the_physicist on April 26th, 2012 09:43 pm (UTC)

here we got! list of courses, field-training out amongst the stars (edit: oh, that link is dead. you can invent that then, lmao! invent one for both Kirk and Scotty to attend, easy!) and then there might be a link to the training cruises (more time in the stars) that those cadets at the academy might do.

i think there are some other pages you can google too, as to how many courses they might take per term etc, but this one is very good.

Edited at 2012-04-26 09:45 pm (UTC)
bookaddict43: enterprisebookaddict43 on April 26th, 2012 10:28 pm (UTC)
I would imagine there might be electives they could take to obtain credit/stave off boredom. If it was interesting it might carry over to other years. Maybe they could meet there?

Or as someone above said, there are probably training missions during the year and to staff the ships all different cadets would be needed.

Off topic - this fusion sounds awesome! *bounces*
Are 6 dogs too many?: enterprisetkeylasunset on April 27th, 2012 02:28 am (UTC)
Thank you!! I may be getting in over my head but that's never stopped me before!

I'll keep you posted on my progress!!